Singapore-China web war

A homesick Singapore exchange student was getting some bad time in Xi’an and posted some explicitive laden negative complains on her blog. These entries were cross-posted in Tianya.cn. It spurred a (small) uproar on Chinese internet.

Many people have this view on Tomorrow.sg – a Singapore meta blog, another place the home sick girl was discussed.

the people of china can be very nationalistic and any attacks on their beloved country(or anything to do with it) spells trouble for the critic.

I also expected to see lots of attacks on the SEP girl when I came to Tianya.cn. But I am quite surprised to see that almost half of the Chinese comments are neutral actually, and close to one fourth of them support the girl to some extent.


Quite a number of ppl said it was not right to cross-post other’s blog without the author’s consent.

作者:假使公主堕落 回复日期:2006-4-11 23:56:27

人家怎么想是一回事 人家是写在自己BLOG里的
语言再混帐也是在自己家里排泄
又没发到公共BBS上
你要允许人民有无知和恶心的权利

楼主没经过别人同意就把别人的日志到处转载
这样不太好吧?

That is a comment of its kinds. Generally, it means:

Whatever she wrote was her business. She wrote in her personal blog and did not post in a public forum. It was no good to cross-post other’s blog without the author’s consent.


Many ppl shared this point of view, “She just a immature girl, no big deal.”

作者:闲愁非关风和月 回复日期:2006-4-12 23:24:53
当看到 “I learnt that in China, 80% of the ppl are BAD.”偶笑了,有什么好生气的,感觉像个小学生.

This guy said, “When I read, ‘I learnt that in China, 80% of the ppl are BAD.’ I laughed. No big deal, just a primary school girl.”

作者:fishifish 回复日期:2006-4-14 08:45:29
看完了,觉得这姑娘像是没见过什么世面, 从小给惯坏了的那种.
虽然如此,但她说的一些事也不是一点不靠谱.

This comment read, “She’s just a spoiled girl, inexperience. However, she did not make up the stories.”

作者:l100083 回复日期:2006-4-12 10:05:01

大概看了一下,不就是個沒吃過苦的留學生,不夠堅強,像小孩子,到了新的環境不能適應,看什麽都不順眼,靠發牢騷來排解鬱悶。
而且中國人愛中國,新加坡人愛新加坡,很正常。不過他言辭那麽極端確實討罵,但他寫的是日記,樓主轉載也是不對啊。
總之大家不要太生氣,傷身体,他說的一些不好的東西也確實存在,我們應該努力改變這一切,希望有一天,管tmd新加坡還是哪得人爭着搶着來中國留學

This one read, “She is just a spoiled student studying abroad, not able to adapt to the change, and complain about everything. China ppl love China; Singapore ppl love Singapore; that is natural. Her language was too extreme. However, she put it in her personal blog. … Don’t get angry. Some of what she said are truth. We should work hard on these. … Hope Singaporean or ppl from other countries would die to come to China for education one day.


Some ppl even reminded that many ppl in China have similar complains and ppl need to do a lot to make China a better country.

作者:人活着快乐就好 回复日期:2006-4-12 22:58:05

那我们自己呢?我们在网上公开的侮辱广东人怎么样,湖南人怎么样,上海人又怎么样等等……的,人家不过在日记里发泄不满,谁比谁更高尚呢?

This guy said, “What about our own speech? We openly insulted Cantonese, Hunanese, Shanghainese, etc. on the internet too. She just made some complains in her blog. Who is better?”

作者:没有不散的筵席 回复日期:2006-4-15 14:31:03 

  The Kungfu performance was fantastic. All of them are highly skilled! Really like in the Kungfu movies!
  
  我注意到有人翻译的时候故意找那些用词很恶毒的地方来翻译,很不厚道。明显地煽风点火。
  LZ也没有必要那么生气,我们的确有许多需要改进的地方。新加坡的学校里早就没有粉笔和木头桌椅了,她奇怪也没有什么。硬件环境方面,的确有很多差距。不过很讨厌她说80%的人都是坏人。

This commented, “Some guys just picked those worst words to translate. That is not honest and kind. It’s obvious that they were trying to make trouble. … There are lots of things for us to improve. … In terms of hardware, we need to catch up. Just don’t like she said 80% Chinese were bad.

作者:choonhau 回复日期:2006-5-6 21:38:04 

  哈哈,我在新加坡读书,与她同一所大学。。。
  比起新加坡,中国确实有很多地方很不如意!!
  再加上独自离家,对陌生的东西很容易产生恐惧感。
  其实对于他的这种情绪,我觉得大部分新加坡人都会有同感。但她在网上用词确实十分偏激,想必没有考虑到中国人读后可能的感想。
  我想之所以我们大学鼓励学生到中国exchange,除了希望建立与中国的合作关系的话,也希望学生学会在逆境中生活,想必此女并未完全理会她来的真正意义。另外也可以从某种角度反映出新加坡教育系统的不足。
  当然有一些对中国的评论,抛去其过于失望而非理性判断的部分外,并非完全没有根据。
  1。是否我们应该深刻的反思一下我们的教育系统?难道教一些学科成绩优异的学生就可以跻身“世界级大学”?或者一所大学需要除此以外更多的东西,为学生提供完善的教育?
  2。计划生育(即文中所提的one-child policy)除了为中国控制人口做出贡献以外,是否对个人的成长造成负面的影响?
  3。我们的社会,是否在腐化,变得失去诚信,道德?因为与国外发达社会相比,中国社会的道德标准,确实有待提高。
  4。当我们听到别人对自己的负面评论时,是否只是一味的还击,遇无理的指责,而并未考虑是否可以从自己的身上找到更好的原因?
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  声明:
  1。我肯定,及时西安并非中国最佳的城市,很多方面西安的条件还很不错(相比某些城市)。
  2。新加坡人对中国人并未有任何敌意与歧视。恰恰相反,很多新加坡人对中国有十分友善意与诚心。

This one is long. Here are some of my translations,

“I am studying in Singapore, at the same university…
Compared with Singapore, China needs to improve lots of things.
And she stayed far from home along, she is uncomfortable to anything not familiar.
…Her language was too extreme on the net, she might not consider what China ppl would think after reading.
…She did not understand the point of the Student Exchange Program. Maybe it reflects the flaws of Singapore’s education system too.
Except those irrational parts, her comments on China are not irrelevant.
1. Should we review our education system. …
2. Does the One-child Policy make negative influence on personal development?
3. Is our society corrupting, losing trust between its members? …
4. When we get any negative feedback from others, shall we just think of fighting back? …
1. I am sure, Xi’an is not the best city in China, but it is not that bad in many aspects. (compared with some other cities.)
2. Singaporean does not discriminate China ppl. On the contrary, they are very friendly and sincere to China ppl.


Though superangry cross-posted the blog, she did not release the SEP girl’s email address or blog link even when a few ppl kept asking for it.

Chinese net users are getting mature. ppl who study or travel to Singapore help others understand the situation better.

Sometimes even a friend who have been to Singapore can help ppl clear the misunderstanding between both sides.

Globalization helps people become more tolerant and accommodating.

Even such web war will help people understand each other better.

However, I would say, fortunately, the SEP girl is not a Japanese student.

Similar Posts

  • |

    中国在非洲:还是治理问题,笨蛋

    原文链接:http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4068 翻译:Peipei Yue,Jacky Peng等 审稿:Oiwan (本文原作者Akwe Amosu女士是非洲问题专家。她现在是开放社会研究所华盛顿分所的非洲高级政策分析员。她在尼日利亚长大,并在尼日利亚和英国受教育。她曾在Trust Africa Foundation,AllAfrica Foundation,UN’s Economic Commission,BBC,Financial Times in London and West Africa等机构工作过或是担任高级职位。) 这里是离海岸500英里的热带森林深处。除了中国人,没有其它投资人敢踏足加蓬(Gabon)的这个地方。一个由中国机械设备进出口公司领队的投标团赢得了开发这个加蓬Belinga 大铁矿的合约。为了可以购买所有开采出的铁矿石,中国的工程队除了要在Belinga建采矿设施外,还要建一个给采矿供电的水力发电站,一条通向海边的铁路,和在加蓬首都利伯维尔(Libreville)北边建一个深水港口以出口矿石。 中国不但要投资几十亿美元而且要等至少三年才能真正开采出铁矿。自1955年这个铁矿被发现以来,没有任何一个西方公司来开发这个铁矿。然而,在国家的支持下,中国公司现在迈出了这个充满风险的一步。 中国在非洲的推进让各专家们想起了那些耳熟能详的关于两象相争的故事。他们想当然地认为,在这场东西方的较量中――两象相争――受害的将是非洲大地上的青草。 不过,时代已经不同了。在非洲受到的第一场殖民掠夺中,在谈判桌上只有那些帝国主义者,他们之间商量着就把非洲大陆给瓜分了。现在,非洲已经远不是一个被动的受害人。非洲站到谈判桌前,热切地想达成协议。在这一次开发Belinga铁矿的交易中,中国是与加蓬的现政府进行谈判,而不是加蓬的宗主国–法国。是东方还是西方胜出,这已无需争辩了。 尽管如此,地上的青草还是有可能受到伤害。非洲的人民须要提防外国势力同时也要注意不为他们本国政府所害。非洲政府能有多少代表人民的利益?非洲的谈判水平是否及格?这非常令人怀疑。这些问题的答案最终还是要看非洲能否把中国钞票转化为自身的发展。 中国人所寻求的利益

  • |

    Are these from the real Korean textbook?

    Recently, there are quite a number of posts about Korean history textbook come up in the Chinese BBSs. Most of the posts show the similar list of pictures. See the links below and the pictures taken from the BBSs in the bottom. http://cn.bbs.yahoo.com/message/read_funny_741345.htmlhttp://bbs.military.china.com/jsp/pub/staticFile/htmls/2006/10/1011/5893993_page0.html http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/read.php?tid=81274http://military.club.china.com/jsp/pub/staticFile/htmls/2006/12/1011/6848404_page0.html http://free.21cn.com/forum/bbsMessageList.act?currentPage=1&bbsThreadId=1528356 http://bbs.wenxin8.com/read.php?tid=87621http://bbs.military.china.com/jsp/pub/staticFile/htmls/2006/10/1011/5893993_page0.html http://bbs6.news.163.com/board/rep2.jsp?b=zhongri&i=982873 In 2005, South Korea successfully got Masterpieces of…

  • 新加坡人不可不关心政治——李资政与年轻人谈大选【转摘】

    原英文对话是在亚洲新闻台(Channel News Asia)上播出,题目是Why My Vote Matters-A Dialogue With Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew LKY。 联合早报刊登只是很小一部分的节选。要看全部的对话可以在video.google.com上搜索”why my vote matters”找到。 原对话更为激烈,而且涉及到的更多敏感话题。比如,行动党以选民投本党与否来决定该区居民组屋的翻新;选民担心投反对党会遭行动党的报复;集选区的设立,等等。下个月六号就是新加坡大选了。虽然我觉得李光耀的很多回答并不令人满意,但他以82岁高龄还能自信地参与这样的讨论,并把它公布出来,很不容易了。  转贴自:联合早报|http://www.zaobao.com/special/singapore/ge2006/pages/ge060413.html     (2006-04-13) “我的选票为什么重要——与内阁资政对话”参与者: 廖庄敬(新传媒新闻记者,以下称廖) 文湘(新传媒记者,以下称湘) 李静雯(《今日报》记者,以下称雯) 李秀平(新传媒广播编辑,以下称平) 许建明(《新报》记者,以下称许) 郭智轩(《海峡时报》记者,以下称郭) 洪心怡(《海峡时报》记者,以下称洪) 任宇坚(新加坡管理大学学生,以下称任) 郑智龄(新加坡管理大学学生,以下称郑) 纳兹里·巴拉威(新加坡国际商会出版经理,以下称纳)   “我的选票为什么重要——与内阁资政对话”已在昨晚由亚洲新闻台播出,配上华文字幕的节目将在后天晚上9时,通过新传媒八频道播出,并在隔天下午2时在八频道重播。以下摘录年轻人与内阁资政李光耀对谈的一些精彩部分。 政治博客网站和音讯播客   雯:行动党是否对竞选感到患得患失? 李资政:每当我们(行动党)参与竞选的时候,必须感到患得患失,否则你会懈怠下来,以为选票都会进来。 雯:我认为行动党没有什么好感到患得患失的,它有高素质的候选人、良好的政绩,而且所有的新加坡人都可以看到行动党的成就。因此,限制政治博客网站和音讯播客(Podcast)真的有必要吗? 李资政:为什么我们要制止政治博客网站和音讯播客?我们(政府)认为选举不该是个经过包装的产品,你是在把候选人当成一个产品来促销? 雯:行动党不正在这样做吗? 李资政:不是…… 郭:为什么你不让选民自己选择? 李资政:音讯播客不是一种面对面的见面方式。如果你今天写的是一篇报道,我们今天就不会这样交流。你的观点错误,我去信报纸,然后我们来一场笔战…… 郭:但是为什么你不可以用同样的方式回击?如果有人利用博客记录,为什么你不能通过博客反驳,然后让选民选择? 雯:我认为他们这样做的原因是因为他们没有其他的平台。 郑:我要补充的是,拥有博客和其他的事物是重要的,尤其是它对建设公民社会的影响。我们没有这个区块。新加坡人的心态是自扫门前雪,为自己赚钱,并把政治留给政治人物,而这意味的是一个可怕的建国情况,因为他们不关心国家的核心,也不管治理国家的人是谁……当人民不在乎发出声音或是谁在治理国家时,你要如何建立一种情感上的归属感,并建立一个让人心系并与之有所联系的国家。 李资政:我认为你的说法是毫无根据的。你是说泰国或菲律宾的情况,是在凝聚还是分化它们的国人? 政治冷漠 任:谈到政治前途,你认为未来的政治更新是否会因新加坡人对政治的冷漠而滞后? 李资政:新加坡人不可以不关心政治。什么是关心政治? 任:如果今年的大选,投票不是强制性的,选民可以自由选择是否要投票,你认为有多少人会投票? 李资政:不,让我们先假设除了那些出现竞争的选区,没有其他选票,他们(选民)就不关心政治吗?政治和你的生活、你的未来息息相关,如果情况变坏,你的前途就没了。 为什么年轻人的选票重要 廖:在选区总是出现“不战而胜”情况的这个时代,在你不认可反对党素质的这个时代,我们的选票为什么重要? 李资政:为什么我要和你们对话?因为我认为你和你的年代的人有必要了解这不只是个投不投票的问题。政治和你的生活、工作、住屋、医疗保健以及你孩子的前途有关。假如搞砸了,你不需要念政治学才能了解情况不妙。因此,你们有必要了解我们(行动党)维持良政(good governance)的决心。如果没有一个好政府,我们(新加坡)会很快没落。…

  • Another side of China.

    “You have handphone in China?!” A few years back, when I first came to Singapore, many Singapornean considered the whole China a big farm. They did not believe that many Chinese people were using the same model of cell phone as they were using. But recently, as the media are flooding with news about China’s…

  • 又一个岛

    韩国诬称中国欲抢夺其领土 巨资打造暗礁岛 金茂大厦可看到韩国人在苏岩礁上 苏岩礁的BLOG 东海苏岩礁 中国海洋安全调查 Technorati Tags: China, Territorial dispute, Korean powered by performancing firefox

4 Comments

  1. All right, we have seen China’s ppl supporting the Singapore girl. Now, we have a Singapore ppl lecturing the Singapore girl. 🙂

    I hope more China’s ppl can read this comment.

    Such web war really helps ppl better understand each other. It is much better than a economic or turist sanction. At least, it is better than a real war.

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *